Session Start: Sat Dec 06 13:14:09 2008
Session Ident: #mike-tech-show-tv
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[13:50] <+Bob_T> Hi CitizenX
01[13:50] <@miketechshow> Ok we are here
[13:50] <+Bob_T> HI Nebben
[13:50] <+nebben_11> hello
[13:50] <@citizenX> hi Bob
01[13:50] <@miketechshow> Mics wil be on in a couple of minutes
[13:50] <+nebben_11> SWEET!
[13:51] <+ronnhomer> kewl
[13:51] <@citizenX> Steve didnt drag Mike Petro to the show?
01[13:51] <@miketechshow> Mike could not make it
[13:51] <+ryno1> he out fixing a computer somewhere
[13:52] <@citizenX> heh duty calls... figures huh
[13:52] <+nebben_11> yep
[13:52] <+Bob_T> Call of duty?  LOL that is agreat game
[13:52] <+ryno1> it's too addicting
[13:52] <+Bob_T> I have the demo here somewhere
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[13:54] <+Bob_T> If I was in Philly.. I would be there
[13:54] <+nebben_11> same here
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[13:55] <@podnutz> Mike couldn't make it.  I tried
[13:55] <@citizenX> I heard
[13:55] <+ryno1> I should start a Chicago tech guys
[13:55] <+nebben_11> now that a good idea
[13:55] <+nebben_11> I'm in chicago
[13:55] <+Bob_T> If we had people here in Cleveland, I would start Cleveland Tech Guys 
[13:56] <@citizenX> bob.. I hear there ARE people in Cleveland
[13:56] <+nebben_11> well north west indiana
[13:56] <@citizenX> LOL
[13:56] <+Bob_T> Really?  Oh wait.. That means they do Exist.. I heard the stories
[13:56] <+ryno1> Alright we got 2 Chicago techs in the room already
[13:56] <@podnutz> music's over.
[13:57] <@podnutz> now you have to listen to us
[13:57] <+nebben_11> works
[13:57] <@citizenX> sounds good
[13:57] <+Bob_T> Problem is.. I do not get along with most of the tech guys in Cleveland.. Hee hee
[13:57] <@citizenX> sounds good on Mikes
[13:58] <+Bob_T> where's the beer?  I heard there was going to be free beer
[13:58] <@citizenX> each city sould have its own geek posse 
[13:58] <@citizenX> <~~ slides Bob a beer
[13:58] <+Bob_T> Thanks Citizenx
[13:58] <+ronnhomer> video is a little fuzzy
[13:58] <@citizenX> n/p
[13:58] <+ryno1> it's 5 o'clock somewhere
[13:58] <+Bob_T> {{burp}} Excuse me.. 
[13:59] <+Bob_T> That is good beet
[13:59] <+Bob_T> beer
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[13:59] <@podnutz> that's not the video  - we are jsut fuzzy people
[13:59] <@citizenX> LOL @ Steve
[13:59] <+nebben_11> lol
[14:00] <ustreamer-22111> webcamtwist?
[14:00] <ustreamer-22111> webcamtwist
[14:00] <@citizenX> webcammax
[14:00] <ustreamer-22111> webcammax
[14:00] <ustreamer-22111> thats what i ment
[14:00] <@citizenX> ....
[14:00] <+nebben_11> now scrolling away
[14:00] <+nebben_11> lol
[14:00] <ustreamer-22111> no
[14:01] <+nebben_11> lol
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[14:01] <+nebben_11> now the other ones back
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[14:01] <@citizenX> @22111 you have to be as smart as a stick to be here in chat (ruthless)
[14:01] <ustreamer-8673> hi
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[14:01] <+ronnhomer> I paid $39 when it was on sale
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[14:02] <+ryno1> for what?
[14:02] <ustreamer-8673> kk
[14:02] <+ronnhomer> webcammax lifetime
[14:02] <+Timster> BEN...i MISSED YOUR SHOW :(
[14:02] <+ryno1> nice
[14:02] <+nebben_11> every one did
[14:02] <+Timster> *caps lol
[14:02] <+ryno1> when was the show nebben?
[14:02] <+nebben_11> its posted at www.myahsmoon.com/bts
[14:02] <@citizenX> ben-- do you archive the shows?
[14:02] <+nebben_11> noon
[14:02] <+ronnhomer> Mike , the video is fuzzy
[14:02] <@citizenX> ahh ty
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[14:03] <@citizenX> cannot do anything about the video
[14:03] <+Timster> I was busy...sorry
[14:03] <ustreamer-8673> the video IS FUZZY
[14:03] <+SCREAMnRISE> ur cam really suckzzzzzzz
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[14:03] <@citizenX> ^^ gone
[14:03] <+kins> I made it!
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[14:03] <+ryno1> better
[14:03] <ustreamer-8673> a little
[14:03] <+Timster> better
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[14:03] <@citizenX> you  bump it up and it gets choppy on our end
[14:03] <ustreamer-8673> much yes
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[14:03] <+nebben_11> yeah its better
[14:04] <+kins> you guys are a little fuzzy I just got here though
[14:04] <@citizenX> better!
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[14:04] <+Bob_T> Ben: was anyone at your show?
[14:04] <ustreamer-8673> brb  mike
[14:04] <+Bob_T> Did anyone attend?
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[14:04] <ustreamer-8673> brb mike
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[14:04] <+Red3kgt> is that a promo?
[14:04] <@citizenX> not a promo
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[14:05] <+ronnhomer> does verizon offer voip?
[14:06] <+nebben_11> yep
[14:06] <ustreamer-82961> is it dark
[14:07] <+ryno1> just built a asterisk box ronhomer
[14:07] <+john_thor> it's nightime in philly
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[14:07] <+kins> no its not its EST jogn thor
[14:07] <@citizenX> it is 2pm EST in Philly .. NOT night
[14:07] <+Bob_T> I can relate to all of that
[14:07] <ustreamer-82961> must be
[14:07] <+kins> john thor
[14:07] <@citizenX> not many windows in the room
[14:08] <+Bob_T> heck ya
[14:08] <+nebben_11> its in a basemant
[14:08] <+ryno1> that guys sound frustrated
[14:08] <@citizenX> not the basement
[14:08] <+kins> Thats the way Mike likes it in his "Control Center"
[14:08] <+nebben_11> looks like it
[14:08] <+kins> or Man Cave
[14:08] <+Bob_T> LOL Kins
[14:08] <@citizenX> I know but it is not the basement
[14:09] <+Bob_T> someone define consulting
[14:09] <@citizenX> instead of working for one company as an employee ...
[14:09] <+kins> its just temp jobs now
[14:09] <+kins> contract positions
[14:09] <@citizenX> you work for youself and service many companies
[14:09] <+kins> There was a thread about his on podnutz forum
[14:10] <@citizenX> THAT is consulting
[14:10] <+Bob_T> I see the commoditization of the industry 
[14:10] <+Bob_T> it's happening
[14:10] <+kins> about how the pc techs are gonna go away because....
[14:10] <@citizenX> commoditization=comode LOL
[14:10] <+Bob_T> comode?
[14:11] <@citizenX> joke. n/m
[14:11] <+kins> It is gonna cost to much to have your pc repaired so people will just purchase new ones
[14:11] <+kins> because they are so cheap now
[14:11] <+Bob_T> I am going to do a podcast on thsi very topic I think
[14:11] <+Bob_T> Kins: that is already happening
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[14:12] <+Bob_T> but Mike: where does a new person get the experience for all that?
[14:12] <+kins> think about it, once they get SSD going mainstread there just isn't much in to pc that can fail and not be replaced by the average joe
[14:12] <+kins> Thats what I need Mike experience
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[14:13] <+ronnhomer> Mike, what id you get the certifications?
[14:13] <+Bob_T> Mike: I think the home lab will not cut it anymore like it did in the old days (circa before 2001)
[14:13] <+kins> I'm training and have been for a few years now, but don't have the job experience
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[14:13] <+kins> I have the home experience and fixing freinds pcs 
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[14:14] <+Bob_T> Kins: I am in a similar position
[14:14] <+kins> maybe I should get a job in pc training than Mike
[14:14] <+kins> ?
[14:14] <+kins> That would keep me up to date at least 
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[14:14] <+kins> I wanted a job at my local hospital but they won't hire me becuase I don't have the experience
[14:14] <@citizenX> computer clubs!!
[14:15] <+Bob_T> What I have seen is: besides keeping up on the new technology, employers want a degree (4-year preferred) and verifiable previous work experience
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[14:15] <+ronnhomer> some employers want certifications as well
[14:15] <+kins> Mike already has the experience though
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[14:15] <ustreamer-24468> zzzzzactly
[14:15] <+kins> what are people in my situation suppose to do?
[14:15] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> Hello everyone...  sorry I am late..
[14:15] <+Bob_T> This is a topic that hits a very personal nerve for me.. has been the sotry of my life for several years
[14:16] <@citizenX> Hey Teddy
[14:16] <+Bob_T> I agree Kins: Mike does
[14:16] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> I didn't even know there would be a show today.
[14:16] <ustreamer-24468> temp to perm
[14:16] <+Bob_T> Kins: I hear you
[14:16] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> Is the handsome devil to the right of our host the one and only Steve??
[14:16] <+ryno1> kins: some sort of internship
[14:16] <+kins> I could Volenter at the Hospital though
[14:16] <+kins> I can't spell volentere
[14:16] <+Bob_T> volunteer
[14:17] <+kins> thanks bob
[14:17] <+Bob_T> no prob
[14:17] <+kins> well at the hospital they have a volunteer program
[14:17] <+ryno1> yeah, your going to need to volunteer or find an employeer willing to hire you without the experience
[14:17] <+Bob_T> Getting experience in the real world.. not in the home lab is one of the most difficult things to do in this economy
[14:17] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6whats the topic of today's show??  Consulting??
[14:17] <+kins> its a big hospital so they have teams of people which is the type of enviornment I want to be in
[14:17] <@citizenX> consulting due to layoffs
[14:18] <+Red3kgt> How do you keep you health insurance when working on a contract basis?
[14:18] <+MrSafety> You must Love Your Work. :)
[14:18] <+Bob_T> <sigh>
[14:18] <+ryno1> kins: you answered your own question
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[14:18] <ustreamer-24468> omg; get on it
[14:18] <ustreamer-24468> lol
[14:18] <+kins> get on your wifes health insurance red
[14:18] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6Thanks citizenx...Barb right???
[14:18] <+Red3kgt> Single
[14:18] <@citizenX> yep Teddy
[14:19] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6<----Lou
[14:19] <+kins> yes I already emailed the guy in charge ryno and he's not in for 2 weeks
[14:19] <+Bob_T> I will talk with anyone who wants to IM me about this topic
[14:19] <@citizenX> Lou!
[14:19] <ustreamer-24468> i do 2 hours a day at night
[14:19] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6it took Mike a while but now he calls me Lou...with an occasional slip of the Teddy
[14:19] <+kins> still I'm 36 I need job that pays
[14:19] <+Bob_T> IBM San would be great if I could get real hands-on
[14:19] <+kins> I guess I would learn from volentering though
[14:20] <+Bob_T> Kins: I am 38 and agree with you I need a a job that pays too
[14:20] <ustreamer-24468> no interaction guys???
[14:20] <+Bob_T> ike: you have experience.. that is the difference
[14:20] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6not during the show
[14:20] <+Bob_T> MIke
[14:20] <+kins> but it depends on the person having me help they may not want to train me and just tell me to sweep the floor
[14:20] <ustreamer-24468> oh ok
[14:21] <@citizenX> they are watching the chat
[14:21] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6when the show is over, the interaction starts as soon as the beer flows...at least on the regular shows that is.
[14:21] <+Red3kgt> I find the agencys are not looking out for your best intrests...its all about them
[14:21] <+ryno1> kins: you gotta start somewhere...
[14:21] <+Bob_T> Mike: what about us guys who have PC tech experience that want to transistion to a better area of IT?
[14:22] <@citizenX> define better area Bob
[14:22] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6Hey...stupid question, but what hats are the boys wearing???
[14:22] <+kins> I agree ryno
[14:22] <@citizenX> phillies hats
[14:22] <+Bob_T> what about getting that important experience?
[14:22] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6ok...thats cool
[14:22] <+ryno1> when I started working at an isp, I was the <censored> boy who got all the lunches...now I'm working as an IT Manager
[14:22] <ustreamer-24468> yup
[14:22] <ustreamer-24468> here here
[14:23] <+kins> The thing is I am training for MCSE now and have both the A+ and Net+, I actually have two A+ certifications
[14:23] <@citizenX> does your school help place you kins?
[14:23] <+ryno1> the cert only gets you the interview, it doesn't get you the job
[14:23] <+Bob_T> Same here.. But I won't go for MCSE
[14:23] <+kins> Now I am learning more netorking based management things and forgeting a lot of the stuff I learned in A+ and Net+!
[14:24] <+Red3kgt> I find once I let the employer what I was earning they drop you from the consideration
[14:24] <+Bob_T> I have seen guys go into debt and still cannot get the job with MCSE
[14:24] <+kins> It hasn't even got me the interview though ryno
[14:24] <+Bob_T> Kins: THese days it won't
[14:24] <+Bob_T> KIns: I see they are looking for 4-year degrees
[14:24] <ustreamer-24468> 2I'm a pro networker and marketer; need a jv partner for that???
[14:24] <+kins> All I want is a chance though so I don't see why they can't just give me that
[14:25] <@citizenX> what is YOUR 30 sec commercial? Give us an idea
[14:25] <+Bob_T> I hear ya Kins
[14:25] <ustreamer-24468> 2elevator speech
[14:25] <+Bob_T> elevator
[14:25] <ustreamer-24468> 2lol, elevator
[14:26] <+kins> I had a few job interviews when I was in food service where the company just wanted to "try me out" and they would keep me if I did a good job
[14:26] <ustreamer-24468> 2I do this, I've done this; then focus on being liked!!!!
[14:26] <+kins> Nowadays though I guess its not like that, or maybe just in this field?
[14:26] <ustreamer-24468> 2trust me on this
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[14:27] <+Bob_T> I see that it a lot of stuff comes down to "verifiable previous work expereince"
[14:27] <+Bob_T> damn right
[14:28] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6Hey I noticed that there are no ads in the screen this time....did Mike get that fixed??
[14:28] <ustreamer-24468> 2YES!!!3
[14:28] <@citizenX> he found the building ..
[14:28] <ustreamer-24468> 2FREEDOM
[14:28] <ustreamer-24468> 2lol
01[14:28] <@miketechshow> yes i did
[14:28] <+kins> yes bob true
[14:28] <+ronnhomer> how did u fix the ads'
[14:28] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6did they do that just for you, or for all ustream?
01[14:28] <@miketechshow> just for me
[14:28] <ustreamer-24468> 2how
[14:29] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6cool then next show I will turn the ad block plus back on.
[14:29] <+kins> you have to start somewhere needs to be said to people who won't give me an interview
[14:29] <@citizenX> Mike knows the owner of ustream
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[14:29] <ustreamer-24468> 2lol
[14:29] <+Bob_T> I can speak about starting a consulting Biz with Microsoft Products and becomeing a Microsoft Partner
[14:29] <ustreamer-24468> 2Jack
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[14:30] <+Bob_T> Kins: I agree
[14:30] <+kins> A lot of the jobs I see the people seem to want everything
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[14:30] <+Red3kgt> Steve where do you get your health insurance....is it cost effective?
[14:30] <+ryno1> kins: what do you want to do?  IT or computer repair?
[14:31] <+kins> they want someone with a computer scinece degree, MCSE, and a programmer combined
[14:31] <+Bob_T> Kins; same here..
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[14:31] <+Bob_T> I did the the PC repair thing and got tired of it and burned out.. IT has always bent he dream
[14:31] <+kins> I'm more intrested in the networking aspect of things like network management
[14:32] <+Red3kgt> Bad news
[14:32] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6oops
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[14:32] <+kins> That is what the microsoft tests lean more towards
[14:32] <+ryno1> so you want work in IT or consulting right?
[14:32] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6Barak will take care of you Steve
[14:32] <+Bob_T> You can get individual health insurance through Anthem 
[14:32] <+podnutz> YES TEDDY
[14:32] <+ronnhomer> what if you are not working and have no benefits and no cobra?
[14:32] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6juat a little sarcasam actually... :)
[14:33] <+kins> I'd prefer to eventually work as a System administrator eventually, but can't find anything that is entry level in that capacity.
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[14:33] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6Steve...show 111 bumed me out...  I was almost going to send my notebook when I heard you no longer take them shipped...so I had to get someone local and it wasn't a perfect match.
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[14:34] <+Bob_T> I agree and understand with Kins. He and I are in the same age group and after a certain age you start thinking hey! I need a paying job so I can 1. survive and 2. start to build a real life
[14:35] <+Red3kgt> It = Cost center not profits
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[14:35] <+Bob_T> IT is one of the first departments to get cut and slashed
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[14:36] <+Bob_T> if you have expereince Mike..
[14:36] <+kins> Yes bob we are in the same boat
[14:36] <+Timster> Kins just keep learning and keep your passion 1st priority and use all of the other options as stepping blocks to your dream.
[14:36] <+Timster> It takes time
[14:37] <+Bob_T> Everyhting Mike is saying is true.. If you have previous expereince..
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[14:38] <+MrSafety> Great Analogy! Great Advice!
[14:38] <+kins> true it takes time but I'm already 36
[14:39] <ustreamer-24468> 2lol, need a class on that all by itself
[14:39] <ustreamer-24468> 2R sux
[14:39] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6as of December 2007
[14:39] <+ronnhomer> Irv Homer said this last night too
[14:40] <ustreamer-24468> 2top economists say a year minimum
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[14:40] <ustreamer-24468> 2Praying they're wrong
[14:40] <ustreamer-24468> 2xmas
[14:41] <+kins> I already am doing that
[14:41] <+Bob_T> Kins: where you able to get any tech jobs before now?
[14:41] <+ronnhomer> The credit card companies sell the debt
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[14:41] <+kins> no bob, I used to work in food service
[14:41] <+Bob_T> Kins: Oh ok..
[14:41] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6Heres another stupid question....my lawn is growing hilly and spongy....someone told me that could be moles...how serious is that??
[14:41] <+kins> Then I got my A+ 2001 and never could get a job based on that
[14:41] <+Bob_T> Kins; do you have a website? or Tiwtter account?
[14:42] <+Timster> 36 kins....it will happen for ya
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[14:42] <+kins> so I took it again a few years ago and have continued training ever since
[14:42] <+ronnhomer> I have my A+ in 2001 as well
[14:42] <@citizenX> Steve people will always need their computers
[14:42] <+kins> I got it again in 2005 though
[14:42] <+Red3kgt> With the price of computers dropping fast how long will it pay for someone to fix a pc rather than replace it?
[14:43] <@citizenX> @red data recovery
[14:43] <+kins> so I have the 01 Objective and the 03 Objectives
[14:43] <+Bob_T> Good point Red
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[14:44] <ustreamer-947> 4Lazio - Inter here: http://athe-net-tv.blogspot.com/
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[14:44] <+Bob_T> Wall-E
[14:44] <+kins> yeah red I was thinking about that
[14:45] <+Bob_T> not me man.. LOL
[14:45] <+MrSafety> Go the Extra Distance = Repeat Customer
[14:45] <+Bob_T> Trying to get away from PC repair..
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[14:45] <+Bob_T> Consulting is my thing
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[14:45] <+kins> I was told maybe I should start with PC repair and work into network management but I really don't now about that
[14:46] <+Bob_T> in he field.. PC repair is known as "break/fix"
[14:46] <+kins> thats crazy, in might be true in Steves area
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[14:46] <+kins> I see people BEGING for old pcs on craigslist
[14:46] <@citizenX> larger cities yeah .. free section
[14:47] <+Bob_T> From what I have experienced, Break/fix work is looked at as the lowest rung on the ladder in the IT industry
[14:47] <+Red3kgt> be careful looking for jobs pn craigs list...a good buddy of mine got scamed....dont freely give out your info
[14:47] <+uncle-al> some of those are scams to get your email address
[14:47] <+kins> yeah I know, I applied for "job" posted on craigslist
[14:48] <+kins> it was a scam to try and get me to sign up for "educational oportunitys"
[14:48] <+uncle-al> I did that too kins
[14:48] <+MrSafety> Electronic Recycling is a Growing Business!
[14:48] <+kins> don't ever look for a job on their they just want your info
[14:49] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6It comes from my toshiba satellite vista blue screening and keeps going into system recovery
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[14:49] <+Timster> My Vista Ulimate runs Wonderful
[14:49] <+Bob_T> this does not seem like an interactive show <sigh>
[14:50] <+kins> how many people run Vista as their only OS?
[14:50] <+Bob_T> nope
[14:50] <+Timster> I dual boot
[14:50] <+Bob_T> linux/2000/xp
[14:50] <@citizenX> no vista in the house
[14:50] <@citizenX> linux and XP
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[14:50] <+kins> some people seem to say they like VISTA but they are not runing it as their only OS or their "working os"
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[14:51] <+kins> to do everyday work
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[14:51] <+kins> no need to dual boot timster
[14:51] <+kins> just get Vmware!
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[14:52] <+kins> or Microsoft virtual pc which is free
[14:52] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6I can't, for the life of me, figure how to use VMWare
[14:52] <+kins> I like VMware better though
[14:52] <+Timster> Vista is my main os I work off of.
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[14:53] <thetechbuzz-Mac> Windows 7 so far is not much different
[14:53] <+MrSafety> Just takes time to get acclimated to Vista.
[14:53] <thetechbuzz-Mac> I'm beta testing it right now
[14:53] <+taco> hey steve
[14:53] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6how do you get to beta test it?
[14:53] <thetechbuzz-Mac> they've over complicated the control pannel again
[14:53] <+taco> hi MIke
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[14:53] <thetechbuzz-Mac> I signed up for it
[14:53] <@citizenX> @Mac... yes! how do you get to beta test it
[14:53] <+kins> I think I may wait till windows 7
[14:53] <@citizenX> where Mac?
[14:53] <+Timster> Windows 7 uses much less memory
[14:53] <thetechbuzz-Mac> on microsofts site
[14:53] <thetechbuzz-Mac> but I don't know if you can still get in on it
[14:53] <thetechbuzz-Mac> I signed up 6 months ago
[14:54] <@citizenX> I have some friends wanting to test it
[14:54] <@citizenX> okay TY
[14:54] <+Red3kgt> hopefully there will be jobs in vista rollouts
[14:54] <@citizenX> I will pass along houw YOU did it
[14:54] <thetechbuzz-Mac> honestly these guys here are correct
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[14:54] <thetechbuzz-Mac> windows 7 is not much better or different
[14:54] <thetechbuzz-Mac> and I'm running it virtually on my macbook
[14:54] <+kins> how do you yet tech buzz?
[14:54] <thetechbuzz-Mac> ?
[14:54] <+kins> it is not even out in beta yet
[14:54] <thetechbuzz-Mac> well its an alpha
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[14:55] <thetechbuzz-Mac> not quite full beta
[14:55] <thetechbuzz-Mac> I call it beta
[14:55] <+Timster> Microsoft has stated that Windows 7 will be less memory hungry.
[14:55] <@citizenX> good to hear Tim 
[14:55] <@citizenX> guess they realized that Vista mistake
[14:55] <thetechbuzz-Mac> well I must say on behalf of microsoft that windows 7 is one of the most stable alpha betas
[14:55] <+kins> They had it runing with 512MB at the PDC
[14:55] <thetechbuzz-Mac> I tried crashing it
[14:55] <thetechbuzz-Mac> and haven't had any problems
[14:55] <thetechbuzz-Mac> drivers are sketchy yet
[14:56] <thetechbuzz-Mac> Yo taco
[14:56] <+taco> hey steve
[14:56] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6Swingin' both ways huh boys?? :)
[14:56] <thetechbuzz-Mac> didn't see you hiding in here
[14:56] <+kins> A question for you Vista users, what can you do with VISTA that you can not do with XP?
[14:56] <+taco> I said hi to ya a few minutes ago
[14:57] <@citizenX> Hey Ryan!!!
[14:57] <+kins> Hi there
[14:57] <+MrSafety> Hi Ryan!
[14:57] <thetechbuzz-Mac> kins easier networking 
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[14:57] <thetechbuzz-Mac> I'm sorry taco
[14:57] <thetechbuzz-Mac> I didn't see it
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[14:57] <+taco> no worries
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[14:57] <+taco> take two
[14:57] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6shuky ducky
[14:57] <@citizenX> it happens
[14:58] <+kins> mikes gonna get mad and turn green
[14:58] <thetechbuzz-Mac> lol
[14:58] <+kins> you won't like him when hes green
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[14:58] <+Bob_T> I agree
[14:58] <thetechbuzz-Mac> honestly I've never seen his show
[14:58] <thetechbuzz-Mac> but it is addicting
[14:58] <@citizenX> this will be the exclusive audio only phillyTechGuys
[14:58] <+kins> a Man Cave
[14:59] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6I think its the steps behind you that it makes it look like a basement
[14:59] <@citizenX> yesit IS mikes cave
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[14:59] <@citizenX> LOL
[14:59] <+kins> don't bother Mike while he is in his "Control Center"!
[14:59] <+taco> lol
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[14:59] <+kins> the natives are getting restless!
[14:59] <+Bob_T> I am going to go.. Bye Kins, Nebben, and CitizenX
[14:59] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6we can call it "The Mike Tech Cave"
[15:00] <+kins> bye BobT!
[15:00] <+Bob_T> Best of luck to you Kins
[15:01] <+MrSafety> stay postive Kins! :)
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[15:01] <+kins> yep I will keep looking
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[15:01] <+kins> I'm staying for this show in case you guys thought I was leaving
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[15:02] <+nebben_11> beer
[15:02] <@citizenX> sorry missed Bob.. I steppewd away
[15:02] <+kins> Too bad I we couldn't go hang out with Mike and Steve
[15:03] <+nebben_11> me to
[15:03] <@citizenX> we ARE hanging out with Mike and Steve
[15:03] <+kins> I meant we as in all of the viewers
[15:03] <+kins> ha ha
[15:03] <+kins> yes citizenX
[15:03] <@citizenX> without US there is no show.. they do it for us.. right?
[15:03] <+coffeemann> hey mike
[15:03] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6enough of that yucky water...
[15:03] <@citizenX> "the audience"
[15:04] <+kins> I wonder how far away philly is from me as in miles or hours
[15:04] <+nebben_11> uch
[15:04] <@citizenX> blue mountians on the coors?
[15:04] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6root beer...yippy...  
[15:04] <+kins> yeah sugar!
[15:04] <+kins> Sugar or alchol which is better?
[15:04] <+nebben_11> I like blue moon
[15:04] <+kins> alcohol
[15:04] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6I noticed the delay when you answered my question before you started typing it...
[15:05] <+kins> food service sux I know how he feels
[15:05] <@citizenX> is he having fun with his paychecks??
[15:05] <+MrSafety> Ryan has a great work ethic!
[15:05] <+coffeemann> awesome
[15:05] <@citizenX> yeah!
[15:05] <+coffeemann> whats his gamertag?
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[15:05] <@citizenX> good on the insurance .. nice responsibilty
[15:05] <+coffeemann> i am C0ff33m4nn
[15:06] <+ryno1> does he have halo3?
01[15:06] <@miketechshow> IamDaMiddleMan
[15:06] <@citizenX> sweet
[15:06] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6six second delay
[15:06] <@citizenX> I ws wondering that too
[15:06] <+taco> a rerun??
[15:06] <+taco> lol
[15:06] <+kins> yeah how do you know that teddy?
[15:07] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6he answered my question on here before he even typed it
[15:07] <+kins> how do you figure that out?
[15:07] <@citizenX> does second lifwe have a moon base?
[15:07] <@podnutz> i dnot know
[15:07] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6when I asked about the ustream ads
[15:07] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6it was answered before you typed it
[15:07] <+kins> Teddy do you have some super secret Nerd equipment?
[15:07] <+nebben_11> I dont have any ad's on the screen
[15:08] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6no its natural nerdyness
[15:08] <+kins> I had some questions but I'm so old I forgot what they were
[15:08] <@citizenX> he was asking WHY no ads ben
[15:08] <@citizenX> THANK YOU BRAD
[15:08] <+nebben_11> lol
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[15:08] <+Red3kgt> is podnutz next on that list
[15:09] <+kins> Mike don't tell others you have cookies unless you want to share them with the class!!
[15:09] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6I would prefer closer to zero...then to ten.
[15:09] <@citizenX> great service and always upgrading features
[15:10] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6He was ready for your argument..
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[15:10] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6If it wern't for the Mike Tech Show, I would have never heard of ustream
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[15:10] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6then I heard of Podnutz because of the MTS
[15:10] <+kins> I heard of Mike Tech show from Computer America
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[15:11] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6it was the other way around...I heard Mike talk about Computer America and started listening to that.
[15:11] <+nebben_11> I heard of you from podnutz
[15:11] <+uncle-al> from podnutz
[15:12] <+kins> I forgot how I learned about podnutz
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[15:12] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6the only bad thing about it Mike and Steve...listening to each show is like listening to them all..  The information is much of the same stuff, with a little twist.
[15:12] <+nebben_11> I found podnuz from google
[15:12] <@citizenX> Carey sent me to podnutz directly via email.. he said.. "you will love this"
[15:12] <+MrSafety> Passionate about Tech!  :)
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[15:13] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6Hey Mike...you should develope the Philly TREK show.  I would be happy to host it. :)
[15:13] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6There I go talking about trek again.. :)
[15:13] <@citizenX> We are still waiting on Mike Nation Lou .. LOL
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[15:13] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6Mike Nation?
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[15:14] <@citizenX> yeah... 
[15:14] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6what does that mean  Barb?? :)
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[15:14] <@citizenX> Well mike has such a large following  it was mentioned in chat that mike should acquire mikenation.com
[15:15] <@citizenX> it was taken
01[15:15] <@miketechshow> I own mikenation.org, .net . info
[15:16] <@citizenX> I like that idea
[15:16] <+Red3kgt> 10 hours to wrap it all
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[15:16] <@citizenX> playdough
[15:16] <@citizenX> I got a stress relief kit at work and it had playdough.. best gift ever
[15:17] <+kins> Ha ha thats what I do
[15:17] <@citizenX> Iwork for a great company
[15:17] <+kins> I get the entemans pound cakes!
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[15:17] <+MrSafety> its the cold
[15:17] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6She's camera shy
[15:18] <+kins> hey guys I'm looking for a USB ergo split keyboard, as cheap as I can find with usb
[15:18] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6She wants to come in on her terms, not yours...typical cat
[15:18] <+uncle-al> I saw networking and usb cables at the dollar store
[15:18] <+iDynasty> Just give them socks
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[15:18] <+Red3kgt> hit record
[15:18] <@citizenX> speed
[15:18] <+kins> no difference 
[15:18] <@citizenX> speed is the difference in data travel
[15:19] <+Courante> 2difference in speed is in the device technology, not the cable!
[15:19] <+kins> ok
[15:19] <+kins> I wasjust guessing Mike
[15:19] <+Courante> 2Otherwise, it would not be backward compatible
[15:19] <@citizenX> well if you have 2.0 and a 1 cable .. speed is the difference
[15:19] <+kins> but I will believe Mike because he has the experience
[15:19] <+Red3kgt> I cant under stand buying a $80 Monster cable vs a generic one
[15:20] <+Courante> 2The longer the cable, the weaker the signal
[15:20] <+Courante> 2unless it has certain metallic coatings
[15:20] <+kins> is there some type of physical difference Mike? 
[15:20] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6here we go...  if I want to upgrade from a 10/100 network to a gigabit network...tell me if this is right.  I would get a gigabit router with cat 6 cables and gigabit network cards in each computer.  How much faster will I REALLY get doing so??  Help me with where I messed up that question.
[15:20] <+Courante> 2Wikipedia has great article regarding USB cable lengths
[15:21] <+Red3kgt> RECORD
[15:21] <+Courante> 2Cat5e cable will also work with Gigabit networking
[15:21] <+kins> It will only go faster in you local network
[15:21] <@citizenX> ty Red
[15:21] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6good then I can keep my cat 5e cable
[15:21] <@citizenX> the exclusive audio
[15:21] <+kins> file transfers between pcs
[15:22] <+Courante> 2Correct, cat 5e will work, cat 5 will not.
[15:22] <+kins> 5e will work fine
[15:23] <+kins> how long does it take for these standards to be "approved"?
[15:23] <+Courante> 2definition of cat 5e - http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Acat+5e&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[15:23] <+kins> I know 6 has been around for a few years now!
[15:23] <+Timster> More bandwidth through the cables.
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[15:24] <+Courante> 2USB would reduce the transfer speed of Gigabit
[15:24] <+kins> sure but there is really no reason to upgrade the router
[15:24] <+kins> just get a switch
[15:24] <+taco-1> yes it is
[15:24] <+Timster> I agree...I notice the difference....
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[15:24] <+kins> yeah only if you do that type of thing though mike
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[15:25] <+Timster> I notice a all around speed up.
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[15:25] <+kins> just check the reviews on Newegg
[15:25] <+Courante> 2Not for Internet though, only local network
[15:25] <+kins> or ask Mike
[15:25] <@citizenX> can you buy an accessory to control the heat on the router
[15:25] <@citizenX> ?
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[15:25] <+Timster> Don't get the Net Gear
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[15:26] <+Red3kgt> you must be careful on the switch you purchase make sure all the ports are 10/100/1000 and auto sense, I heard 1 100MB port will drag down the whole network
[15:26] <@citizenX> like case it in a heat sink?
[15:26] <+kins> maybe you can get an extended warrenty?
[15:26] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6How about the router?  Could I continue to use my 10/100 belkin router and hook the gigabit switch up to it and keep all the computers on the switch to maintain the gigabit speed?
[15:26] <+taco-1> and if you want a managed switch, you pay out the hose
[15:27] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6belkin n1 router that is
[15:27] <+Courante> 2Personally, I thing their still inexpensive enough to replace instead of using warranty
[15:27] <+kins> No one I know
[15:27] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6wonderfulll
[15:27] <+kins> Its only worth if it you do huge transfers!
[15:27] <+Courante> 2only the devices sharing the gigabit switch would operate at that speed
[15:27] <+kins> locally
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[15:27] <+Courante> 2anything connected to the router would not
[15:28] <+Courante> 2Worth it for techs who do image backups/restorations over their own local network
[15:28] <+Courante> 2Like I do
[15:28] <+Courante> 2Faster than USB
[15:28] <+taco-1> when I take my customers to GB, they think they have a "new" network.
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[15:29] <+kins> Search NewEgg Mike, I know you gotta be able to find one
[15:29] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6Mike...take a look at this link...http://www.sonnettech.com/product/prestogigserver.html
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[15:29] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6it might have what your looking for
[15:29] <+taco-1> and gigabit is great for iscsi and nas 
[15:30] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6i just did a google search for it
[15:30] <ustreamer-18273> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166015
[15:30] <+kins> Help me find an Ergo Split keyboard with a usb connector that is cheap
[15:30] <@citizenX> Ask if anyone out there has heard of using MSN Live for remote accessing PCs. I have not had a chance to test it yet.... curious about this. Computer CLub presenter says it has been available for about two years, but I never got that memo.
[15:30] <+Red3kgt> I have a Dlink 40 bux works great
[15:30] <@citizenX> the im program
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[15:30] <+Courante> 2Logmein still the best remote service
[15:30] <@citizenX> i know courante
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[15:31] <+kins> you mean the messenger citizen?
[15:31] <+taco-1> I have used msn for remote access, but now use teamviewer.com
[15:31] <@citizenX> yes kins
[15:31] <+kins> yes
[15:31] <+kins> for remote assitance?
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[15:31] <+Courante> 2I believe MSN Live uses the built-in Remote Desktop
[15:31] <@citizenX> wha? taco?
[15:31] <+kins> I've used it before
[15:31] <+Courante> 2Built-in to Windows that is
[15:31] <@citizenX> i like the idea of using IM because most of my clients already have it installed
[15:31] <+kins> only once or twice that is 
[15:31] <+Red3kgt> routers and MSN remote dont play nice together
[15:32] <+Courante> 2Logmein is best on Thunderbird, there's an add-on that makes it work faster.
[15:32] <+taco-1> gencontrol 
[15:32] <+kins> I go over and over that stuff in my class
[15:32] <@citizenX> yes
[15:32] <@citizenX> no
[15:32] <@citizenX> you go ON SITE and add them to your account
[15:32] <ustreamer-2185> RDP (Remote Desktop Protocol) comes in two flavors, Shared Desktop (easily accessed using Messenger) and total "takeover" control (full Remote Desktop) which is great for corporate environments.
[15:32] <@citizenX> yes MIke!!!
[15:32] <@citizenX> that is how I do it
[15:33] <@citizenX> TY
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[15:33] <+Courante> 2Wrong!  Only need to create their own account if they need to use it for remote.  If it's for me to access their computer for repair, I add them to my Logmein Free account.  No security issues.  256 bit encryption.  GoToMyPC only uses 128 bit encryption.
[15:33] <@citizenX> YEs! Courante..
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[15:33] <+Courante> 2Also use it with Hamachi for file transfers
[15:33] <+Red3kgt> MS Live = upto 30% cashback on ebay
[15:34] <+Courante> 2For offsite, use CrossLoop to install LogMeIn remotely...\
[15:34] <+Courante> 2Then use LogMeIn from that point on.
[15:34] <@citizenX> I add it for a later problem that I can fix remotely
[15:34] <@citizenX> I go on site once to fix.. after that I never have to go on site
[15:34] <+taco-1> I think teamviewer is like $600 per year
[15:35] <thetechbuzz-Mac> the free version of Team viewer allows you to even transfer files
[15:35] <@citizenX> yes it IS awesome the resuce logmein
[15:35] <+taco-1> oops, lifetime for $699 -
[15:35] <+Courante> 2Too expensive for me, can make better revenue using Free
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[15:35] <+taco-1> http://teamviewer.com/licensing/index.aspx
[15:35] <@citizenX> OMG the stats you get when you connect to the computer is amazing
[15:36] <+Red3kgt> we use to use MS netmeeting on the internal network
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[15:36] <+kins> wow people still use netmeeting?
[15:36] <+taco-1>  $249 for six months
[15:36] <ustreamer-18273> Mike do you know of any good network messaging software? Im looking for somthing that allows me as a IT admin to tell my users "the network is going down".
[15:36] <+Red3kgt> it works
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[15:36] <+Courante> 2Never use NetMeeting for Internate connections, only local.  However, VNC is better for that.
[15:36] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6why not Mike@MikeTechShow.com??
[15:37] <@citizenX> long story Lou
[15:37] <+kins> 18273 you can do that through microsoft software that is already included with the os
[15:37] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6oh I think I remember that story..
[15:37] <ustreamer-18273> in server 2000?
[15:37] <+Red3kgt> net send 
[15:37] <+Courante> 2Correct, Remote Desktop.  Easier to use with third party software though.
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[15:38] <+kins> I'm pretty sure buy Mike can tell you better
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[15:38] <+taco-1> don't drink and podcast...
[15:38] <@citizenX> great show guys
[15:38] <+Courante> 2Got a drinking problem?
[15:38] <+Red3kgt> I remember my first beer :-)
[15:38] <+Courante> 2"Airplane" reference.
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[15:39] <@citizenX> feed?
[15:39] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6Are you guys still doing the second life thing for the debate??  I can't install second life on my computer...too old.
[15:39] <+nebben_11> Steve the feed doesnt work
[15:39] <+kins> you can using the messenger service 
[15:39] <@citizenX> oh I am always here anyway
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[15:39] <+kins> 18273
[15:39] <+nebben_11> ok
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[15:40] <+nebben_11> yeah the podnutz page doesnt go to the feed
[15:40] <ustreamer-18273> ok thanks kins
[15:40] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6I think the great tech debate should be called the "Philly Tech Fight."
[15:40] <+kins> I'm not talking about windows messenger
[15:40] <+Courante> 2I was able to download the files manually from the Podnutz page last night
[15:40] <+nebben_11> me to
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[15:40] <@citizenX> nice name Lou.. but not everyone on the debate is from Philly
[15:41] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6now this is a funny sight seeing them chase the cat
[15:41] <+Timster> Big Scary Steve!!!!!
[15:41] <+Red3kgt> Philly tech fight club
[15:41] <@citizenX> did they get the cat in allready?
[15:41] <+Courante> 2That's why I prefer dogs.  Always come to me when I call them.
[15:41] <@citizenX> ahhh
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[15:41] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6Mike Cat Show
[15:41] <@citizenX> she'll scratch your eyes out, Mike
[15:41] <+kins> Mike when are you gonna get a Dog?
[15:41] <+kins> I know your kids want one!
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[15:41] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6Is the cat afraid of 
[15:41] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6Steve, or steve afraid of the cat
[15:41] <+kins> You mentioned it before on your show
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[15:42] <@citizenX> steve likes cats.. you could tell he was concerned seeing her at the door wanting in
[15:42] <+Courante> 2Is this airing on Animal Planet?
[15:42] <+Courante> 2J/K
[15:42] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6Steve...eta to the Videos???
[15:42] <@podnutz> xmas
[15:43] <@citizenX> yaaaaaay! saved!
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[15:43] <+kins> hey guys I am looking for an ergo split keyboard USB
[15:43] <ustreamer-74702> How about the Mike Cat Show on April 1st..again
[15:43] <+kins> I don't want to spend more then $40
[15:43] <@citizenX> I want a split keyboard too
[15:44] <+Courante> 2Microsoft makes great ones, even wireless.
[15:44] <+Timster> I'm going to put up xmas lights today.
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[15:44] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6I hated the design...too un natural
[15:44] <@citizenX> we did the tree last night
[15:44] <+Courante> 2Microsoft Wireless Comfort Keyboard, ergonomic, but not split.  The middle keys are elongated instead of split
[15:44] <+kins> My wife has an older one but I want to get new one for her
[15:44] <ustreamer-18273> G15 Keyboard
[15:44] <+kins> I don't want to spend so much though
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[15:44] <ustreamer-18273> G15 have the light
[15:45] <@citizenX> big money for the lit keyboard
[15:45] <+Timster> Logitech
[15:45] <+Red3kgt> most back lit keyboard feel very cheep
[15:45] <+MrSafety> Best way to Accept Credit Cards in Consulting?
[15:45] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6Paypal
[15:45] <@citizenX> paypal Safety
[15:45] <ustreamer-18273> G15 is like $100+, its a gamer keyboard, has macro buttons built in for like spam clicking or key spamming
[15:45] <+kins> I was looking at newegg but the lowest is 41 and thats without the shipping
[15:46] <+Timster> I use it...
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[15:46] <+Red3kgt> link please
[15:46] <+Timster> Nice
[15:46] <@citizenX> accidentally print it Mike
[15:46] <+Courante> 2Microsoft Keyboards: http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/ProductList.aspx?Type=Keyboard&AdditionalType=Sets&feature1=wireless_All
01[15:46] <@miketechshow> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3498&cl=US,EN
[15:46] <ustreamer-18273> awsome LED also
[15:46] <+kins> I would never spend $100 on keyboard
[15:46] <+kins> thats just crazy in my opinion
[15:46] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6Mail it to her...  
[15:47] <+kins> but thats just me
[15:47] <+kins> too bad I don't have a microcenter near me
[15:47] <+MrSafety> Nice!
[15:47] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6pretty cool.
[15:47] <@citizenX> ty kins.. agreed
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[15:47] <+Courante> 2Curved is better than split!
[15:47] <@citizenX> really Courante
[15:47] <ustreamer-18273> that top left silver trapazoid thing lets u disable the windows button to use at a Alt or Ctrl
[15:47] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6You guys need to be new additions to the show, big bang theory.
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[15:48] <+Courante> 2Found my Comfort Keyboard at WalMart for $30, about a year ago
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[15:48] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6I buy the cheap $7 keyboards..
[15:48] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6And I buy them often after my daughter spills things in them.
[15:49] <+Courante> 2Sometimes you end up buying those cheaper keyboards many times over.  Better keyboards last longer.
[15:49] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6She has her own computer and i have had to replace her keyboard and mouse a few times.
[15:49] <+Courante> 2Despice Mac keyboard, but did you know you can wash them in the dishwasher?
[15:49] <+kins> so when you got your Fios installed did you let the techs touch your stuff Mike??
[15:49] <ustreamer-58938> which ONE would you choose... superantispyware or malwarebytes?...
[15:49] <@citizenX> anyone gone dvorak instead of qwerty? It is supposed to make more sense in the layout
[15:50] <+kins> malwarebytes but I use both
[15:50] <+Courante> 2Never choose, use them both along with others.
[15:50] <@citizenX> 58938--- malwarebytes if you had to choose
[15:50] <@citizenX> both because they compliment each other
[15:50] <+Courante> 2May make more sense, but why have to relearn typing?
[15:50] <@citizenX> oh we all agree with that
[15:50] <+kins> Live diag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:50] <+kins> LIVE DIAG!
[15:50] <+kins> NOW!
[15:50] <+kins> Come on!!!
[15:50] <+kins> LIVE DIAG GUYS!
[15:51] <+kins> Everyone wants to see a live diag!!
[15:51] <+Courante> 2No single program catches everything, ever!
[15:51] <ustreamer-18273> what do you guys use for trojans?
[15:51] <@citizenX> true.dat COurtante
[15:51] <+kins> lets see that laptop!
[15:51] <+kins> Haha!
[15:51] <@podnutz> its my day off kins
[15:52] <+Courante> 2For Trojans, HiJackThis.  But you must know what you're doing when using it!
[15:52] <+kins> yeah but I thought maybe you and Mike could do it together now
[15:52] <+kins> just a few minutes!
[15:52] <+kins> Puleeeeeeeeeez????????????
[15:52] <ustreamer-18273> program for trojans? (dont know what im doing)
[15:52] <+Courante> 2HiJackThis is an application for malware removal, the manual way.  No automatic removals.
[15:53] <+kins> Mike that laptop you were saying there was problems with?
[15:53] <+Courante> 2Mike covered this in detail on a previous show.
[15:53] <ustreamer-18273> oh
[15:53] <+kins> can you guys put it on and do a few dianostic steps?????
[15:53] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6removed?  how did they get there in the first place?
[15:53] <+MrSafety> Right Steve they all do it!
[15:53] <@podnutz> its a dektop kins not a laptop
[15:53] <@citizenX> yep.. they all do.. ALWAYS check that bill
[15:53] <+Courante> 2Many ways to get infections
[15:53] <+kins> oh
[15:53] <+kins> can you though?
[15:54] <+kins> it would be fun!!!
[15:54] <@citizenX> laptop videos
[15:54] <+kins> Well Mike you did it before with that guy and it was so fun!
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[15:54] <@citizenX> uses cam at the bench
[15:54] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6We can watch Steve work all day long.
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[15:54] <+kins> Mike!
[15:55] <@citizenX> stick in the mudd Steve
[15:55] <+kins> Please!
[15:55] <+Courante> 2Will probably have to edit the more problematic repairs...
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[15:55] <+kins> I'll tell everyone about your show!
[15:55] <+Courante> 2Just to Keep it family friendly.
[15:55] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6yeah lets all watch.
[15:55] <+kins> I'll shout it in the streets!
[15:55] <+kins> THANKS!!!
[15:55] <+kins> yeah!
[15:55] <@citizenX> treats!! YAY!!
[15:55] <+MrSafety> Intermittent issues are tough!
[15:55] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6record this
[15:55] <@citizenX> hit record!
[15:55] <+Red3kgt> Steve you bring the leaf blower?
[15:55] <+Timster> Get into technician mode Steve.
[15:55] <@citizenX> break
[15:55] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6this might be fun for others to watch....record it.
[15:55] <+kins> Thats ok Mike I'll be here!
[15:56] <@citizenX> gloves?
[15:56] <+Courante> 2If so, don't forget to blow out his back yard while you're there.
[15:56] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6Leaf blower..do you have the link to a blower that would be small enough to work???
[15:56] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6If Mike has dust, he should be embarassed.
[15:56] <+Courante> 2Cat hair
[15:56] <@citizenX> yes cats
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[15:56] <+Courante> 2Another point for dogs, they don't shed as much.
[15:57] <+Courante> 2:-)
[15:57] <ustreamer-82961> HD in Freezer?
[15:57] <+MrSafety> :-)
[15:57] <+kins> Its all in good fun Steve
[15:57] <+Timster> It's kins fault.
[15:57] <+Courante> 2Steve, send a bill to Ustream
[15:57] <@citizenX> aww Steve.. think of the audience
[15:57] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6what??
[15:57] <@citizenX> *ouch*
[15:57] <+Courante> 2I hope he doesn't charge by the hour!
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[15:57] <+Courante> 2:-)
[15:57] <+kins> this is how I learn 
[15:57] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6This should be interesting..  Glad we waited for this.
[15:57] <+Courante> 2Need to add knee pads to your tool kit
[15:58] <@citizenX> Steve .. I apologize for that vm.. but you never told the whole story on the podcast.. you have to remember you are teaching a wide audience
[15:58] <+Courante> 2I agree, watching someone who knows what they're doing is much more educational than any class you can take!
[15:58] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6The Mike Tech Fridge...loaded of technical beer
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[15:58] <@citizenX> I dont want them grabbing spinrite first
[15:58] <+kins> Think about this, it is the best way to learn
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[15:59] <@citizenX> here is your "experience" kins
[15:59] <+kins> yeah!
[15:59] <@citizenX> it opens like a delorian!
[15:59] <+MrSafety> This is great OJT!
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[15:59] <+Courante> 2Good thing their not teaching videography!
[15:59] <+kins> I hate the ones that open like that!
[15:59] <@citizenX> I HATE those cases
[15:59] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6But if Steve doesn't fix it, it will be embarassing.
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[15:59] <@citizenX> delorian.. the first time I saw this I was like.. the hell??
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[16:00] <+Courante> 2Techs hate those cases, because you can't leave it open.
[16:00] <@citizenX> low sound
[16:00] <+kins> you  know these Super Nerds will fix it!
[16:00] <@citizenX> better
[16:00] <+kins> cool!
[16:00] <+nebben_11> a dell
[16:00] <@citizenX> what is the prob again?
[16:00] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6hook it up to steves hat
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[16:00] <+kins> what ever happend to the "dell dude"?
[16:00] <@citizenX> hat cam! hat cam!
[16:00] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6audio is gone
[16:00] <+Courante> 2Wow, why is that air tunnel damaged?
[16:00] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6dust on the heat sink
[16:00] <@citizenX> dell dude works at the cheesecake factory
[16:00] <ustreamer-18273> they need blue-tooth head sets
[16:00] <+kins> does he really?
[16:01] <@citizenX> no joke
[16:01] <+kins> whats the problem with the pc ?
[16:01] <+kins> I forgot?
[16:01] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6did you see the dust Barb??
[16:01] <+Courante> 2Steve should do every repair live on Ustream.  Viewers in the chat can offer suggestions.
[16:01] <@citizenX> yes. reminde me .. what is the issue?
[16:01] <+kins> didn't mean the question mark
[16:01] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6I believe he said it was over heating.
[16:01] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6not sure though.
[16:01] <+Red3kgt> http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/08/dude-youre-getting-a-drink-dell-dude-now-a-waiter/
[16:01] <+kins> I thought he wasn't sure yet
[16:01] <@citizenX> ty red
[16:02] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6now breathe in deep
[16:02] <+kins> he should try the dell diagnostics cd
[16:02] <@citizenX> blowingout dust
[16:02] <+Courante> 2Always the first step!
[16:02] <+kins> it is somewhat usefull for testing
[16:02] <+Courante> 2And I don't charge $75 for a thorough cleaning like CompUSA used to!
[16:02] <@citizenX> nice porch Mike.. splendid!
[16:03] <@citizenX> I wish I could charge $75 to clean out the dust LOL
[16:03] <+kins> yummy nothing like heat sink toasted mouse!
[16:03] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6I had to do the same thing...blow and then run away and breathe.
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[16:03] <@citizenX> sound?
[16:04] <+nebben_11> he needs a hot mic
[16:04] <@citizenX> wear a mask Lou
[16:04] <+kins> all the plastic junk I hate when the manufactures put all that plastic in there
[16:04] <@citizenX> I take it all out and dust
[16:04] <+Courante> 2Get surgical masks, big help for the dustiest computers
[16:04] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6too bouncy to really see anything.
[16:04] <+nebben_11> aha we are getting dizzy
[16:04] <@citizenX> just be happy lou .. this is my verson of pron
[16:04] <+kins> what are the symptoms guys?
[16:05] <@citizenX> overheating we guess
[16:05] <+Courante> 2They can't see the chat room guys!
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[16:05] <+kins> thats what I thought but I didn't hear a description
[16:05] <@citizenX> Mike what is the issue???
[16:05] <+kins> of the actual symptoms?
[16:05] <@citizenX> overheating?
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[16:05] <+kins> you know like restarting or what?
[16:06] <+uncle-al> shuts off?
[16:06] <+Timster> Make sure the cpu fan fan is doing it's job
[16:06] <+kins> so are the fans running?
[16:06] <@citizenX> all fans running boys????
[16:06] <+MrSafety> thats it!
[16:06] <+kins> ok so there ya go guys
[16:06] <@citizenX> diagnosed!
[16:06] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6power supply issue?
[16:06] <@citizenX> 5 min 
[16:07] <+kins> do you guys have spare fans?
[16:07] <@citizenX> no it has power
[16:07] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6bad fan?
[16:07] <@citizenX> replace fan and good to go
[16:07] <+Timster> cpu fan?
[16:07] <+Courante> 2No working fan = system shutdown after a minute or so.
[16:07] <+kins> what fan is it though?
[16:07] <@citizenX> def courante
[16:07] <+Red3kgt> what fan is not spinning?
[16:07] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6no working fan = don't ever turn on.
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[16:07] <@citizenX> we think processor
[16:07] <@citizenX> yes
[16:07] <+kins> oh
[16:07] <+Timster> yep
[16:07] <+kins> dang!
[16:07] <@citizenX> like the most important one
[16:08] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6Ok Dr. Steve...whats the treatment?
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[16:08] <@citizenX> replace PS and cpu fan
[16:08] <+kins> HAHA!
[16:08] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6so...the power supply could be faulty?
[16:08] <+Courante> 2Even withthe fan being away from the processor, it still needs to work in cooperation with the heat sync.
[16:08] <+Timster> Check hard drive....
[16:08] <+Courante> 2PSU should be fine.
[16:08] <@citizenX> 5 minutes Mike
[16:08] <+Red3kgt> chkdsk /f
[16:09] <@citizenX> must be AMD 
[16:09] <+Courante> 2Prefer UBCD4Win, includes hard drive diagnositcs
[16:09] <+MrSafety> wish all repairs where that easy!
[16:09] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6I just counted...seven second delay
[16:09] <@citizenX> it will shut down rather than blow out due to heat
[16:09] <+kins> My dell has a big fan like that, never had to replace it though. I guess you can find one on ebay?
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[16:09] <@citizenX> ahh hardware goes.. it happens
[16:09] <+Courante> 2Should never go out if the system is dusted every couple of months.
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[16:09] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6can't you just unhook the power supply from everything except the fans and then see if they turn on when you power on?
[16:10] <+Timster> It could be the fan connector on the motherboard.
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[16:10] <+kins> I don't understand what teddie means
[16:10] <+Courante> 2Easily tested using a power adapter.
[16:10] <@citizenX> I do and there is no way .. fans are powered my the MOBO
[16:10] <+kins> have you ever replaced a big dell fan like that?
[16:11] <@citizenX> 10.whole.dollars.
[16:11] <+Red3kgt> is it a generic power supply ?
[16:11] <+Courante> 2Fans can also be powered directly from the PSU if the proper connector is provided, or by using an adapter
[16:11] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6But Mike will get it for free, right???
[16:11] <@citizenX> this is why we pc fixers will stay in business
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[16:11] <+MrSafety> Thanks Mike and Steve!
[16:11] <+Timster> Mike...tell Steve about the New Years Eve idea.
[16:11] <@podnutz> bye all!!!!
[16:11] <+kins> Thanks Guys for doing this!
[16:11] <+Courante> 2Don't forget to feed the cat!
[16:11] <+kins> I'm happy!
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[16:12] <@citizenX> ty kins
[16:12] <+TeddyBearDJ-Lou> 6oh yeah the new years eve idea
[16:12] <+Red3kgt> Thanks a bunch
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